Legislature(2003 - 2004)
05/04/2004 01:55 PM Senate L&C
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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE
May 4, 2004
1:55 p.m.
TAPE(S) 04-38
MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator Con Bunde, Chair
Senator Ralph Seekins, Vice Chair
Senator Gary Stevens
Senator Bettye Davis
Senator Hollis French
MEMBERS ABSENT
All members present
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
^CONFIRMATION HEARING
^Board of Marine Pilots
Jack G. Poulson, Esq.
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 91(FIN)
"An Act relating to medical benefits for retired peace officers
after 20 years of credited service."
MOVED SCS CSHB 91(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 418(FIN)
"An Act extending the termination date of the Real Estate
Commission; relating to real estate; relating to home
inspectors; relating to real estate licensees; and providing for
an effective date."
MOVED SCS CSHB 418(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 540(L&C)
"An Act relating to workers' compensation insurance rates; and
providing for an effective date."
MOVED CSHB 540(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 32(EDT) am
Relating to information infrastructure and establishing the
Alaska Information Infrastructure Policy Task Force.
MOVED CSHCR 32(EDT) am OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 490(JUD) am
"An Act relating to the release of employment security records,
to the binding effect of determinations and decisions regarding
unemployment compensation benefits, and to contributions,
interest, penalties, and payments under the Alaska Employment
Security Act; providing that property under the Alaska
Employment Security Act is not subject to the Uniform Unclaimed
Property Act; and providing for an effective date."
MOVED CSHB 490(JUD) am OUT OF COMMITTEE
HOUSE BILL NO. 559 am
"An Act extending the termination of the state training and
employment program; and providing for an effective date."
MOVED HB 559 am OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 512(FIN)
"An Act establishing the Hydrogen Energy Partnership in the
Department of Community and Economic Development; requiring the
commissioner of community and economic development to seek
public and private funding for the partnership; providing for
the contingent repeal of an effective date; and providing for an
effective date."
MOVED CSHB 512(FIN) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 272(STA) AM
"An Act relating to the advertising of motor vehicles, including
trailers, for sale by motor vehicle dealers; relating to the
financing of motor vehicle purchases; relating to motor vehicle
sales contracts; relating to the disclosures required to be made
by motor vehicle dealers when selling motor vehicles, including
trailers, or when their service employees work on commission;
relating to a motor vehicle dealer's selling as a new or current
model vehicle, a motor vehicle required to be registered under
AS 28.10; relating to a motor vehicle dealer's advertising an
offer for the sale, lease, or purchase of a motor vehicle,
including a trailer; relating to a motor vehicle dealer's
conditioning the sale and delivery of a motor vehicle, including
a trailer, on the buyer's purchase of other items; and relating
to the return of a buyer's trade-in by a motor vehicle dealer."
MOVED SCS CSHB 272(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 542(RLS)
"An Act reducing to $5,000 the ceiling for a contract price
allowed under one construction contractor exemption and
expanding the work that a specialty contractor may perform to
include, in addition to work requiring not more than three
trades, work under that construction contractor exemption; and
changing the definition of specialty contractor to refer to the
work that a specialty contractor may perform."
MOVED CSHB 542(RLS) OUT OF COMMITTEE
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 421(JUD)
"An Act relating to reconveyances of deeds of trust."
MOVED CSHB 421(JUD) OUT OF COMMITTEE
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: HB 91
SHORT TITLE: RETIRED PEACE OFFICER'S MEDICAL BENEFITS
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) ANDERSON
02/12/03 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/12/03 (H) L&C, FIN
02/21/03 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
02/21/03 (H) Moved Out of Committee
02/21/03 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
02/24/03 (H) L&C RPT 4DP 1NR
02/24/03 (H) DP: GATTO, CRAWFORD, GUTTENBERG,
02/24/03 (H) ANDERSON; NR: ROKEBERG
03/18/03 (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
03/18/03 (H) Heard & Held
03/18/03 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
02/17/04 (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
02/17/04 (H) Heard & Held
02/17/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
02/19/04 (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
02/19/04 (H) Moved CSHB 91(FIN) Out of Committee
02/19/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
02/23/04 (H) FIN RPT CS(FIN) NT 3DP 7NR
02/23/04 (H) DP: CROFT, FATE, WILLIAMS; NR: MEYER,
02/23/04 (H) HAWKER, JOULE, MOSES, CHENAULT, FOSTER,
02/23/04 (H) HARRIS
03/04/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
03/04/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 91(FIN)
03/05/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/05/04 (S) STA, L&C, FIN
03/18/04 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 211
03/18/04 (S) Heard & Held
03/18/04 (S) MINUTE(STA)
04/01/04 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 211
04/01/04 (S) Moved CSHB 91(STA) Out of Committee
04/01/04 (S) MINUTE(STA)
04/02/04 (S) STA RPT SCS 3NR SAME TITLE
04/02/04 (S) NR: STEVENS G, COWDERY, STEDMAN
04/13/04 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211
04/13/04 (S) -- Meeting Canceled --
04/15/04 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211
04/15/04 (S) Heard & Held
04/15/04 (S) MINUTE(L&C)
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 418
SHORT TITLE: REAL ESTATE COM'N/LICENSEE/HOME INSPECT
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE
02/02/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/02/04 (H) L&C
02/16/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
02/16/04 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
02/23/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
02/23/04 (H) Moved CSHB 418(L&C) Out of Committee
02/23/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
02/26/04 (H) L&C RPT CS(L&C) NT 5DP 1NR
02/26/04 (H) DP: LYNN, GATTO, ROKEBERG, DAHLSTROM,
02/26/04 (H) ANDERSON; NR: GUTTENBERG
02/26/04 (H) FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER L&C
04/13/04 (H) FIN AT 3:00 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
04/13/04 (H) Moved CSHB 418(FIN) Out of Committee
04/13/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
04/14/04 (H) FIN RPT CS(FIN) NT 7DP 3NR
04/14/04 (H) DP: MEYER, HAWKER, CHENAULT, FATE,
04/14/04 (H) FOSTER, HARRIS, WILLIAMS; NR: STOLTZE,
04/14/04 (H) JOULE, CROFT
04/21/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/21/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 418(FIN)
04/22/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/22/04 (S) L&C, FIN
04/29/04 (S) L&C AT 2:45 PM BELTZ 211
04/29/04 (S) Heard & Held
04/29/04 (S) MINUTE(L&C)
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 540
SHORT TITLE: WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE RATES
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE
03/22/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/22/04 (H) L&C
03/31/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
03/31/04 (H) <Bill Hearing Postponed to Fri. 4/2/04>
04/02/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/02/04 (H) Heard & Held
04/02/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
04/14/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/14/04 (H) Heard & Held
04/14/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
04/16/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/16/04 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
04/19/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/19/04 (H) Moved CSHB 540(L&C) Out of Committee
04/19/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
04/22/04 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211
04/22/04 (S) <Pending Referral>
04/23/04 (H) L&C RPT CS(L&C) 3DP 4NR
04/23/04 (H) DP: GATTO, ROKEBERG, ANDERSON;
04/23/04 (H) NR: CRAWFORD, LYNN, DAHLSTROM,
04/23/04 (H) GUTTENBERG
04/27/04 (S) L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 211
04/27/04 (S) <Pending Referral>
04/28/04 (H) MOVED TO BOTTOM OF CALENDAR
04/28/04 (H) NOT TAKEN UP 4/28 - ON 4/29 CALENDAR
04/29/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/29/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 540(L&C)
05/01/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
05/01/04 (S) L&C
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HCR 32
SHORT TITLE: AK INFO INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY TASK FORCE
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KOTT
02/16/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/16/04 (H) EDT, FIN
02/26/04 (H) EDT AT 5:15 PM CAPITOL 120
02/26/04 (H) -- Meeting Canceled --
03/02/04 (H) EDT AT 10:00 AM CAPITOL 120
03/02/04 (H) Moved CSHCR 32(EDT) Out of Committee
03/02/04 (H) MINUTE(EDT)
03/03/04 (H) EDT RPT CS(EDT) 5DP
03/03/04 (H) DP: KOTT, KOHRING, CRAWFORD, CISSNA,
03/03/04 (H) HEINZE
04/01/04 (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
04/01/04 (H) Heard & Held
04/01/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
04/20/04 (H) FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519
04/20/04 (H) Moved CSHCR 32(EDT) Out of Committee
04/20/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
04/21/04 (H) FIN RPT CS(EDT) 5DP 4NR
04/21/04 (H) DP: MOSES, CHENAULT, FATE, FOSTER,
04/21/04 (H) WILLIAMS; NR: MEYER, HAWKER, STOLTZE,
04/21/04 (H) HARRIS
04/23/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/23/04 (H) VERSION: CSHCR 32(EDT) AM
04/26/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/26/04 (S) L&C, FIN
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 490
SHORT TITLE: EMPLOYMENT SECURITY ACT AMENDMENTS
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR
02/16/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/16/04 (H) L&C, JUD
03/22/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
03/22/04 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
03/24/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
03/24/04 (H) Moved Out of Committee
03/24/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
03/25/04 (H) L&C RPT 4DP 3NR
03/25/04 (H) DP: LYNN, GATTO, DAHLSTROM, ANDERSON;
03/25/04 (H) NR: CRAWFORD, ROKEBERG, GUTTENBERG
04/07/04 (H) JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120
04/07/04 (H) Moved CSHB 490(JUD) Out of Committee
04/07/04 (H) MINUTE(JUD)
04/14/04 (H) JUD RPT CS(JUD) NT 5NR
04/14/04 (H) NR: SAMUELS, HOLM, GARA, GRUENBERG,
04/14/04 (H) MCGUIRE
04/21/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/21/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 490(JUD) AM
04/22/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/22/04 (S) STA, L&C
05/01/04 (S) STA AT 0:00 AM BELTZ 211
05/01/04 (S) Moved CSHB 490(JUD) am Out of Committee
05/01/04 (S) MINUTE(STA)
05/02/04 (S) STA RPT 4NR
05/02/04 (S) NR: STEVENS G, COWDERY, STEDMAN, GUESS
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 559
SHORT TITLE: DELAY REPEAL OF STEP PROGRAM
SPONSOR(s): FINANCE
04/22/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/22/04 (H) FIN
04/26/04 (H) FIN RPT 6DP 1NR
04/26/04 (H) DP: JOULE, MOSES, CHENAULT, FATE,
04/26/04 (H) FOSTER, MEYER; NR: STOLTZE
04/26/04 (H) FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519
04/26/04 (H) Moved Out of Committee
04/26/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
05/01/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
05/01/04 (H) VERSION: HB 559 AM
05/02/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
05/02/04 (S) L&C, FIN
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 512
SHORT TITLE: HYDROGEN ENERGY RESEARCH PROGRAM
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) CRAWFORD
02/16/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/16/04 (H) EDT, FIN
02/24/04 (H) EDT AT 5:15 PM CAPITOL 120
02/24/04 (H) Heard & Held
02/24/04 (H) MINUTE(EDT)
03/02/04 (H) EDT AT 10:00 AM CAPITOL 120
03/02/04 (H) Moved Out of Committee
03/02/04 (H) MINUTE(EDT)
03/03/04 (H) EDT RPT 4DP 1AM
03/03/04 (H) DP: CRAWFORD, CISSNA, KOTT, HEINZE;
03/03/04 (H) AM: KOHRING
04/14/04 (H) FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519
04/14/04 (H) Heard & Held
04/14/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
04/22/04 (H) FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519
04/22/04 (H) Moved CSHB 512(FIN) Out of Committee
04/22/04 (H) MINUTE(FIN)
04/23/04 (H) FIN RPT CS(FIN) 6DP
04/23/04 (H) DP: JOULE, MOSES, CHENAULT, FATE,
04/23/04 (H) FOSTER, WILLIAMS
04/30/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/30/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 512(FIN)
05/01/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
05/01/04 (S) L&C, FIN
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 272
SHORT TITLE: MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS/SALES/ADS
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) WEYHRAUCH
04/16/03 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/16/03 (H) L&C, STA
04/28/03 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/28/03 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
04/30/03 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/30/03 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
05/01/03 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102
05/01/03 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
05/05/03 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
05/05/03 (H) Heard & Held
05/05/03 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
05/07/03 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
05/07/03 (H) <Bill Hearing Postponed to Fri. 5/9/3>
05/09/03 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
05/09/03 (H) Moved CSHB 272(L&C) Out of Committee
05/09/03 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
05/12/03 (H) L&C RPT CS(L&C) 6DP 1AM
05/12/03 (H) DP: LYNN, GATTO, CRAWFORD, DAHLSTROM,
05/12/03 (H) ROKEBERG, ANDERSON; AM: GUTTENBERG
05/13/03 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102
05/13/03 (H) Heard & Held
05/13/03 (H) MINUTE(STA)
05/14/03 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102
05/14/03 (H) Moved CSHB 272(L&C) Out of Committee
05/14/03 (H) MINUTE(STA)
05/15/03 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102
05/15/03 (H) Heard & Held
05/15/03 (H) MINUTE(STA)
05/16/03 (H) STA RPT CS(STA) FORTHCOMING 3DP 1NR 3AM
05/16/03 (H) DP: CRAWFORD, LYNN, WEYHRAUCH;
05/16/03 (H) NR: HOLM; AM: DAHLSTROM, GRUENBERG,
05/16/03 (H) SEATON
05/16/03 (H) STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 102
05/16/03 (H) Moved CSHB 272(STA) Out of Committee
05/16/03 (H) MINUTE(STA)
05/17/03 (H) MOVED TO BOTTOM OF CALENDAR
05/17/03 (H) CS(STA) RECEIVED
05/17/03 (H) BEFORE THE HOUSE
05/18/03 (H) TAKE UP SAME DAY FAILED Y25 N11 E4
05/19/03 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
05/19/03 (H) VERSION: CSHB 272(STA) AM
05/19/03 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
05/19/03 (S) TRA, L&C
05/03/04 (S) TRA AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
05/03/04 (S) Moved SCS CSHB 272(TRA) Out of
Committee
05/03/04 (S) MINUTE(TRA)
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 542
SHORT TITLE: CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE
03/24/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
03/24/04 (H) L&C
04/02/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/02/04 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
04/07/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
04/07/04 (H) Moved Out of Committee
04/07/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
04/13/04 (H) L&C RPT 7DP
04/13/04 (H) DP: CRAWFORD, LYNN, GATTO, ROKEBERG,
04/13/04 (H) DAHLSTROM, GUTTENBERG, ANDERSON
04/15/04 (H) RLS AT 9:00 AM FAHRENKAMP 203
04/15/04 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
04/29/04 (H) RLS AT 9:00 AM FAHRENKAMP 203
04/29/04 (H) Moved CSHB 542(RLS) Out of Committee
04/29/04 (H) MINUTE(RLS)
04/30/04 (H) RLS RPT CS(RLS) NT 4DP 3NR
04/30/04 (H) DP: COGHILL, KOTT, MCGUIRE, ROKEBERG;
04/30/04 (H) NR: BERKOWITZ, MORGAN, KERTTULA
04/30/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/30/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 542(RLS)
05/01/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
05/01/04 (S) L&C
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
BILL: HB 421
SHORT TITLE: DEED OF TRUST RECONVEYANCE
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) ANDERSON
02/02/04 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/02/04 (H) L&C, JUD
03/19/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
03/19/04 (H) Scheduled But Not Heard
03/24/04 (H) L&C AT 3:15 PM CAPITOL 17
03/24/04 (H) Moved CSHB 421(L&C) Out of Committee
03/24/04 (H) MINUTE(L&C)
03/25/04 (H) L&C RPT CS(L&C) 7DP
03/25/04 (H) DP: CRAWFORD, LYNN, GATTO, ROKEBERG,
03/25/04 (H) DAHLSTROM, GUTTENBERG, ANDERSON
04/21/04 (H) JUD AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120
04/21/04 (H) Moved CSHB 421(JUD) Out of Committee
04/21/04 (H) MINUTE(JUD)
04/22/04 (H) JUD RPT CS(JUD) 2DP 4NR
04/22/04 (H) DP: GRUENBERG, MCGUIRE; NR: HOLM,
04/22/04 (H) GARA, SAMUELS, OGG
04/28/04 (H) MOVED TO BOTTOM OF CALENDAR
04/28/04 (H) NOT TAKEN UP 4/28 - ON 4/29 CALENDAR
04/30/04 (H) TRANSMITTED TO (S)
04/30/04 (H) VERSION: CSHB 421(JUD)
05/01/04 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
05/01/04 (S) L&C, JUD
05/04/04 (S) L&C AT 2:00 PM BELTZ 211
WITNESS REGISTER
Ms. Janet Seitz
Staff to Representative Rokeberg
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 418 for sponsor.
Ms. Pat Davidson
Legislative Audit Division
PO Box 113300
Juneau AK 99811-3300
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 418.
Mr. Josh Applebee
Staff to Representative Tom Anderson
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 540 and HB 421 for the
sponsor.
Mr. Charlie Miller
Alaska National Insurance Company
PO Box 102286
Anchorage AK 99510
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 540.
Ms. Sarah McNair Grove
Division of Insurance
Department of Community & Economic Development
PO Box 110800
Juneau, AK 99811-0800
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 540.
Ms. Sue Stancliff
Staff to Speaker Pete Kott
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HCR 32 and HB 542 for the
sponsor.
Mr. Stan Herrera
Chief Technology Officer
Department of Administration
PO Box 110200
Juneau, AK 99811-0200
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports amending HCR 32.
Ms. Wynetta Ayers, Executive Director
Southwest Alaska Municipal Conference (SWAMC)
No address provided
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HCR 32.
Mr. Tom Nelson, Director
Division of Employment Security
Department of Labor & Workforce
Development
PO Box 21149
Juneau, AK 99802-1149
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 490 for sponsor.
Ms. Toby Steinberger, Assistant Attorney General
Department of Law
PO Box 110300
Juneau, AK 99811-0300
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 490.
Mr. Tom Wright
Staff to Representative John Harris
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 559 for the sponsor.
Representative Harry Crawford
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 512.
Mr. Jay Hardenbrook
Staff to Representative Harry Crawford
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 512.
Mr. Jerry McCutcheon
Anchorage AK
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 512.
Ms. Linda Sylvester
Staff to Representative Bruce Weyhrauch
Alaska State Capitol
Juneau, AK 99801-1182
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 272 for the sponsor.
Mr. Ed Sniffen, Assistant Attorney General
Department of Law
PO Box 110300
Juneau, AK 99811-0300
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on HB 272.
Mr. Steve Allwine
Alaska Automobile Dealers' Association
8725 Mallard St.
Juneau AK 99801
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 272.
Ms. Eden Larson, President and CEO
Associated Builders and Contractors (ABC)
Anchorage AK
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 542.
Mr. Rick Urion, Director
Division of Occupational Licensing
Department of Community & Economic Development
PO Box 110800
Juneau, AK 99811-0800
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 542.
Mr. Bryan Merrell
State Agency Manager Underwriter
First American Title Insurance Company
Anchorage AK
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports HB 542.
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 04-38, SIDE A
CHAIR CON BUNDE called the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing
Committee meeting to order at 1:55 p.m. Present were Senators
Seekins, Gary Stevens, Bettye Davis and Chair Con Bunde. Senator
French arrived at 1:55 p.m. The first order of business to come
before the committee was the confirmation hearing for Jack
Poulson, Esq. to the Board of Marine Pilots. There were no
objections to moving his name forward and it was so done.
SCS CSHB 91(STA)-RETIRED PEACE OFFICER'S MEDICAL BENEFITS
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced HB 91 to be up for consideration.
SENATOR RALPH SEEKINS moved to pass SCS CSHB 91(STA) from
committee with individual recommendations and the attached
fiscal note. Senators Davis, Gary Stevens, and Seekins voted
yea. Senator Bunde voted nay and SCS CSHB 91(STA) moved from
committee.
CSHB 418(FIN)-REAL ESTATE COM'N/LICENSEE/HOME INSPECT
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHB 418(FIN) to be up for
consideration. He moved to adopt Amendment 1 and objected for
discussion purposes and explained that Legislative Audit had
suggested having mobile homes fall under real estate licenses,
but that issue is currently under discussion by the Real Estate
Board and doesn't need to be addressed now.
23-LS1548\I.3
A M E N D M E N T
OFFERED IN THE SENATE BY SENATOR BUNDE
TO: CSHB 418(FIN)
Page 3, following line 11:
Insert a new bill section to read:
"*Sec. 6. AS 08.88.470 is amended to read:
Sec. 08.88.470. Findings and payment. At the
conclusion of the commission's consideration of a claim
made under AS 08.88.460, it shall make written findings and
conclusions on the evidence. If the commission finds that
the claimant has suffered a loss in a real estate
transaction as a result of fraud, misrepresentation,
deceit, or the conversion of trust funds or the conversion
of community association accounts under the control of a
community association manager on the part of a real estate
licensee, the commission may award a claimant reimbursement
from the real estate surety fund for the claimant's loss up
to $20,000 [$10,000]. Not more than $20,000 [$10,000] may
be paid for each transaction regardless of the number of
persons injured or the number of parcels of real estate
involved in the transaction."
Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.
SENATOR HOLLIS FRENCH arrived at 1:55 p.m.
CHAIR BUNDE continued explaining that the other concern was
raising the loss limit from $10,000 to $20,000.
MS. JANET SEITZ, staff to Representative Rokeberg, sponsor, said
that he did not support raising the limit because it could
impact the licensing fees for the real estate agents and also he
believes that anything above $10,000 should be taken to court.
SENATOR RALPH SEEKINS asked how many past claims above $10,000
had been taken to court.
MS. SEITZ said that the audit indicated that recent payments
were all above $10,000 and more into the $20,000 range.
CHAIR BUNDE showed the committee a list of states that
administer a real estate recovery fund and Alaska at $10,000 is
joined by four other states. The rest of the states are at
$15,000 - $50,000.
MS. PAT DAVIDSON, Division of Legislative Audit, explained that
her audit found five disbursements out of the surety fund over
the last four years. All the actual claims reported and
substantiated by the hearing officers were in excess of $10,000
and one was in excess of $20,000, which is one of the main
reasons she recommended changing the threshold.
SENATOR SEEKINS asked what the size of the fund is now.
MS. DAVIDSON answered that it was $467,000 at the end of FY03.
It has a floor of $250,000 and was supposed to have a cap of
$500,000 originally. Statute also provides a $125 cap that could
be paid into the surety fund per licensee. Right now it is $60.
In summary, the fund is close to its cap and licensees are
making substantially less than the maximum contributions to the
fund.
SENATOR SEEKINS noted that there didn't seem to be any
foreseeable shrinkage of the size of the fund based on the last
four years history.
MS. DAVIDSON responded that the funds appear to be adequate, but
individual claims run differently and don't have a predictable
nature.
CHAIR BUNDE asked when the $10,000 cap was set.
MS. DAVIDSON answered in 1974 when the fund was first
established in statute. If one used the CPI for inflation, the
cap would be over $30,000.
CHAIR BUNDE asked how much real estate licenses would go up.
MS. DAVIDSON replied that statutes were amended in 1998 limiting
the fee to no more than $125. The current fee is set at $30 per
licensee.
SENATOR FRENCH noted a conflict of interest as his wife is a
real estate professional.
CHAIR BUNDE noted it and then removed his objection to Amendment
1. There were no other objections and Amendment 1 was adopted.
SENATOR SEEKINS moved to pass SCS CSHB 418(L&C) from committee
with individual recommendations and attached fiscal note.
Senators Gary Stevens, Bettye Davis, Seekins and Chair Bunde
voted yea and SCS CSHB 418(L&C) moved from committee.
CSHB 540(L&C)-WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE RATES
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced HB 540 to be up for consideration.
MR. JOSH APPLEBEE, staff to Representative Tom Anderson,
sponsor, explained that the CS to HB 540 addresses a long-
standing problem with Alaska Workers' Compensation loss cost
filing. It makes the statute a more open and transparent process
that gives stakeholders in the system an opportunity for input
and understanding of the "loss cost" filings, which are a
fundamental building block of the workers' compensation rates.
Initially, the Division of Insurance voiced concerns regarding
timeline and process issues. At the request of the committee,
the company who brought the issue forward and the Division of
Insurance worked together to produce the committee substitute
before them now. It has their full support.
MR. CHARLIE MILLER, Alaska National Insurance Company (ANIC),
said that loss costs are the basic component of what becomes
workers' compensation rates. The rating agency reviews the
previous data and tries to project what the loss cost will be in
the upcoming rate year. It's an actuarial exercise and ANIC
hoped to be able to participate more in setting the rate. He
supported the committee substitute.
MS. SARAH MCNAIR GROVE, Property Casualty Actuary, Division of
Insurance, said the CS has a good process that meets the needs
of all the participants, including the insurer. Currently, the
National Council on Compensation Insurance (NCCI) sets the rate
that is then reviewed by the division. Now the insurer will have
a seat at the table.
SENATOR FRENCH commented that some people might view raising
rates as a way of making up for past losses.
MS. GROVE denied that was the intent of this bill. The intent is
to give more stakeholders the ability to raise questions and
provide information in the process.
MR. BOB LOHR testified in support of the SCS to HB 540 as the
former director for the Division of Insurance. He explained that
the filings have a detailed hearing process set out by a rating
organization like the NCCI. However he questioned whether the 20
- 25 day time-frame (on page 3) in which to have a hearing after
receipt of a filing was an adequate window to conduct a hearing.
Lines 15 - 16 on page 4 clarifies that the hearings are a public
record, which he supported.
Page 5, line 18, requires the rating organization to make the
information available as soon as possible and he asked the
committee to consider making it available immediately. The order
must include details of the director's reasoning and presumed
the order must state the director's reasoning on line 22 and he
felt that it should just be stated.
On page 6, lines 22 - 25, the final definition says a
perspective loss cost filing is a term defined, but doesn't
label it as a filing submitted by a rating organization. He
thought it should explicitly state that it is a filing submitted
by a rating organization.
CHAIR BUNDE asked Ms. Grove if she supported Mr. Lohr's
suggestions about the time-frame, the soon as possible versus
immediately issue and the definition.
MS. GROVE explained that 20 -25 days was the time-frame in which
it could be determined that a hearing needed to be held and she
was comfortable with it. She felt that as-soon-as-possible and
immediately meant the same thing and had discussed that with the
rating organization that would have a website on which to post
the information. She said the definition section mirrors
language that is already in regulation and felt that should
stay.
SENATOR RALPH SEEKINS moved to pass SCS HB 540(L&C) from
committee with individual recommendations and attached fiscal
note. Senators French, Gary Stevens, Seekins, Davis and Chair
Bunde voted yea and CSHB 540(L&C) moved from committee.
CSHCR 32(EDT)am-AK INFO INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY TASK FORCE
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHCR 32(EDT) am to be up for
consideration.
MS. SUE STANCLIFF, staff to Speaker Kott, sponsor, said that HCR
32 establishes the Alaska Information Infrastructure Policy Task
Force, which will be charged with consideration of Alaska's role
and interest in long-term information infrastructure
development. In summary, the sponsor statement said:
It will provide communities with access to broadband
connectivity and provide for telecommunications,
health care education, homeland security and economic
development opportunities. Access to fiber optic
connectivity will help bridge the divide that
separates rural Alaska and the benefits of
technological advances realized in urban Alaska.
The Progressive Policy Institute has a new economy index that
shows where Alaska is in the new economy. In 1999, Alaska was
th
ranked 13 most competitive state; by 2002 it had dropped to the
st
31 most competitive state, the sharpest drop among all the
states. "We're losing ground, Mr. Chairman, and this task force
can address the question of how Alaska can get back on
track...."
MR. STAN HERRERA, Chief Technology Officer, Department of
Administration, said the resolution identifies 13 members to the
task force without any representation from the Department of
Administration. The Department of Enterprise Technologies
Services currently provides all centralized data processing,
data communications and telecommunications for the state
agencies identified by Alaska statute. He has submitted his
concerns to the Speaker of the House and recommended that the
Department of Administration be represented on the task force.
MS. STANCLIFF commented that the sponsor did not support adding
a representative from the Department of Administration.
CHAIR BUNDE said he had concerns about unequal representation in
the Legislature and asked for an amendment to delete one of the
members of the Legislature and have him replaced by a
commissioner or designee of the Department of Administration.
SENATOR HOLLIS FRENCH agreed with him.
SENATOR GARY STEVENS conceptually moved to reduce the
legislative members to two and to add one member from the
Department of Administration.
SENATOR BETTYE DAVIS said that although she supported the
concept, it was close to the end of session and the sponsor did
not support the amendment and felt that was an important
consideration.
MS. WYNETTA AYERS, Executive Director, Southwest Alaska
Municipal Conference (SWAMC), supported HCR 32. The task force
is needed to develop a cohesive strategy for information
technology and infrastructure in Alaska. She related how several
other states had successfully developed programs. She hoped the
state's opportunities could be leveraged in Southwest Alaska to
develop its economy.
SENATOR GARY STEVENS said he took Senator Davis' comment to
heart and didn't want to kill this bill by dragging it out and
withdrew his amendment.
CHAIR BUNDE said he would let this bill set until the end of the
meeting.
CSHB 490(JUD)am-EMPLOYMENT SECURITY ACT AMENDMENTS
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHB 490(JUD) am to be up for
consideration.
MR. TOM NELSON, Director, Division of Employment Security,
Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DOLWD), explained
that the changes are mainly housekeeping measures and will align
state law with federal law and will bring Alaska into compliance
with the Unemployment Insurance overpayment arrangement it has
with other states.
CHAIR BUNDE asked if anyone opposed the bill.
MR. NELSON replied that he hadn't heard of any opposition.
MS. TOBY STEINBERGER, Assistant Attorney General, offered to
explain sections 1 - 3 and 8. The changes in sections 1- 3 deal
with employment security records for criminal investigation and
prosecution purposes. Locations of employment of suspects,
witnesses, victims and persons on parole or probation can be
found.
TAPE 04-38, SIDE B
MS. STEINBERGER noted that the Employment Security Division is
heavily federally funded. The U.S. Department of Labor has
required that its records be kept confidential with some
exceptions. Accordingly, AS 23.20.110 has allowed for these
exceptions, but none of them allow for releasing of information
for criminal prosecution and investigation purposes other than
for prosecuting cases against claimants who have fraudulently
received unemployment compensation benefits. This amendment
would allow the Criminal Division to find suspects, witnesses
and victims since the information is so up-to-date. Sometimes
people move by the time the case goes to trial and this
information will help in finding out where they work. The U.S.
Department of Labor has reviewed and approved the amendment.
Other states - Washington, Iowa, Arkansas, Georgia, Utah and
Oklahoma - have been allowed to release employment security
information for criminal investigations and prosecutions.
SENATOR FRENCH asked for a quick review of what happens in the
rest of the bill.
MR. NELSON explained that sections 4 - 12 authorize the
department to adopt regulations providing for the distribution
of unclaimed excess contributions. Sections 5 and 6 clarify
statute by adding the terms "manager" and "limited liability
company" to the definitions. Section 7 brings Alaska into
conformity with the Interstate Reciprocal Overpayment Recovery
Arrangement that it has with other states and provides the
Employment Security Division the ability to collect unemployment
insurance overpayments on behalf of other states for reasons
other than fraud. States in this agreement already provide this
service to Alaska.
Section 8 adds a definition of action to mean a court or
administrative proceeding not brought under this chapter or in
arbitration proceeding. Section 10 aligns Alaska language with
federal law by clarifying which health care professionals are
excluded from the definition of employment. Only student nurses
and medical interns are excluded. Section 11 clarifies language
that provides an exclusion from the definition of wages for
payments or benefits provided by the employer for educational
assistance to its employees. Federal law already provides this
exclusion from their definition of wages. Section 13 is the
immediate effective date clause.
SENATOR RALPH SEEKINS moved to pass CSHB 490(JUD am from
committee with individual recommendations and attached fiscal
note. Senators Gary Stevens, Davis, French, Seekins and Chair
Bunde vote yea; and CSHB 490(JUD) am moved from committee.
2:45 - 2:46 - at ease
HB 559 am-DELAY REPEAL OF STEP PROGRAM
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced HB 559 am to be up for consideration.
MR. TOM WRIGHT, staff to Representative John Harris, said this
bill reauthorizes the STEP program for another four years.
SENATOR RALPH SEEKINS moved to pass HB 559 am from committee
with individual recommendations and attached fiscal note.
Senators Davis, Seekins, Gary Stevens, French and Chair Bunde
voted yea; and HB 559 am moved from committee.
CSHB 512(FIN)-HYDROGEN ENERGY RESEARCH PROGRAM
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHB 512(FIN) to be up for
consideration.
REPRESENTATIVE HARRY CRAWFORD, sponsor, explained that HB 512
sets up an hydrogen energy partnership. He related how Wayne
Gretski, a great hockey player, said the difference between him
and all the other highly talented skaters in the National Hockey
League is that he always tried to skate where he thought the
puck was going to be, not where it was. Even though Alaska
depends on its natural gas and oil now, the fuel of the future
is going to be hydrogen - and Alaska has great potential.
CHAIR BUNDE asked if he thought this would undermine the need to
develop ANWR.
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD replied no. He thought opening ANWR is
necessary now to address the country's energy concerns and
lessen dependency on foreign oil. He noted that Governor
Schwarzeneger is putting together a network of hydrogen pumps
that are no further than 20 miles apart in California.
SENATOR SEEKINS asked what statute paragraph 44 would be added
to.
MR. JAY HARDENBROOK, staff to Representative Crawford, replied
that it would be placed under the Department of Community and
Economic Development.
SENATOR SEEKINS asked if the state was supposed to take up the
slack in funding if it wasn't forthcoming.
MR. HARDENBROOK replied that the bill is designed so that if
funding is not in place by 2009, the program will go away. The
Department of Community & Economic Development (DCED) set up the
fiscal note so that it would be funded by program receipts and a
partnership with Alaska Industrial Development and Export
Authority (AIDEA).
MR. JERRY MCCUTCHEON, Anchorage, supported the idea behind using
hydrogen as an energy source in California, but noted that there
is no hydrogen in the state. It takes three times as much
natural gas to produce the hydrogen to run something than it
would to just use the natural gas in the first place. He said,
"Guess what! Alaska has the only game in town." The nearest
source of energy for California is the Susitna project in
Alaska. He, therefore, suggested adding California to market
evaluation language on page 3.
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD commented that he supported that idea.
SENATOR SEEKINS said he wasn't convinced that hydrogen is the
wave of the future in energy. "If it was something that vital, I
think that private industry would take care of it."
SENATOR BETTYE DAVIS moved to pass CSHB 512(FIN) from committee.
Senators French, Gary Stevens, Davis and Chair Bunde voted yea;
Senator Seekins voted nay; and CSHB 512(FIN) moved from
committee.
CSHCR 32(EDT)am-AK INFO INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY TASK FORCE
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHCR 32(EDT) am to be back up for
consideration.
SENATOR GARY STEVENS moved to pass CSHCR 32(EDT) am from
committee with individual recommendations and attached fiscal
notes. Senators Seekins, French, Gary Stevens, Davis and Chair
Bunde voted yea; and CSHCR 32(EDT) am moved from committee.
CSHB 272(STA) AM -MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERS/SALES/ADS
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHB 272(STA) AM to be up for
consideration.
SENATOR RALPH SEEKINS moved to adopt the proposed SCS CSHB
272(L&C), version \S, as the working document. There were no
objections and it was so ordered.
SENATOR SEEKINS noted that he is an automobile dealer.
CHAIR BUNDE said it was noted.
MS. LINDA SYLVESTER, staff to Representative Bruce Weyhrauch,
sponsor, briefed the committee that HB 272 addresses a few
technical changes to the automobile omnibus bill that was passed
in 2002.
SENATOR GARY STEVENS asked what problems removing section 1
corrects.
SENATOR SEEKINS related that current law prohibits someone from
selling a vehicle as a new vehicle if he doesn't have a
franchise to sell that vehicle. Problems arise with the date and
duration of warranties, who it applies to and associated
problems with service contracts. An attempt was made to clarify
this issue with a new vehicle definition. However, used car
dealers who sell new cars without having a franchise have caused
a hubbub about it. So, the Alaska Automobile Dealers Association
(AADA) said it would forego trying to redefine a new vehicle for
now and just asks the Department of Law to monitor and
investigate consumer and enforcement problems associated with
the current law and report back to the next legislature -
providing better documentation of the concerns.
MR. ED SNIFFEN, Department of Law (DOL), said the issue is
whether or not Alaska wants to allow used car dealers to import
current year, low mileage vehicles and sell them as used cars,
but at the same time compete with franchised new cars dealers.
Alaska has a law that prevents any dealer from selling a used
car as a new car unless it has the manufacturer's statement of
origin (MSO) on it. In effect, this means that a dealer could
not sell a new 2004 car until the 2005 models come out. So, if a
service man buys a 2004 Dodge Ram, has it for a few months and
then gets deployed to Iraq and needs to sell it, he has a
difficult time selling it to a dealer because no dealer could
sell that car until the 2005 model year was available. However,
he was confident that he could work with the AADA to resolve the
issue.
The other part of the bill cleans up language that didn't sound
right and removes provisions that don't apply in Alaska. There
has been no opposition to those sections.
MR. STEVE ALLWINE, Secretary, Alaska Automobile Dealers
Association, supported the previous comments and felt that more
data was needed before a resolution was adopted.
SENATOR SEEKINS moved to pass SCS CSHB 272(L&C), version \S,
from committee with individual recommendations. Senators French,
Gary Stevens, Davis, Seekins and Chair Bunde voted yea; and SCS
CSHB 272(L&C) moved from committee.
CSHB 542(RLS)-CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTORS
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHB 542(RLS) to be up for
consideration.
MS. SUE STANCLIFF, staff to Speaker Kott, sponsor, explained
that the bill is meant to provide a solution to the growing
issue of unregistered contractors providing construction
services illegally under the guise of a handyman license.
Current law states minimum requirements for a person who
represents himself as either a contractor or a specialty
contractor. Instead of meeting qualification standards and
insurance requirements, 1,600 business licenses have been issued
to these construction-related, exempt-from-contractor
registrations. This bill lowers the project limit from $10,000
to $5,000 and expands the work that can be done by a specialty
contractor.
MS. EDEN LARSON, President and CEO, Associated Builders and
Contractors, supported HB 542.
MR. RICK URION, Director, Division of Occupational Licensing,
said his division had more complaints in this area than anywhere
else. The problem is that unlicensed people are uninsured and
not bonded and the consumer has no recourse if he or she does a
bad job. He explained that a category of handyman has been
created helping clarify the situation.
SENATOR FRENCH asked if a handyman can be a specialty contractor
and asked what section 3 does.
MR. URION answered that the way the law was written they were a
specialty contractor, but they were exempt from construction.
Section 3 changes that.
SENATOR FRENCH asked what problems lowering the project limit
from $10,000 to $5,000 would correct.
MR. URION replied that it would keep handymen in the repair
business and out of the construction business.
SENATOR FRENCH put on the record that he owns apartment houses
in Anchorage and couldn't get along without his handyman. He
didn't want to threaten his ability to do work.
SENATOR GARY STEVENS asked if this would possibly raise the cost
of hiring a handyman by adding costs to be passed on to the
consumer.
MR. URION explained that no overhead was being added to the
handyman category for projects under $5,000.
SENATOR GARY STEVENS moved to pass CSHB 542(RLS) from committee
with individual recommendations and attached fiscal note.
Senators French, Davis, Seekins, Gary Stevens and Chair Bunde
voted yea and CSHB 542(RLS) moved from committee.
CSHB 421(JUD)-DEED OF TRUST RECONVEYANCE
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced CSHB 421(JUD) to be up for
consideration.
MR. JOSH APPLEBEE, staff to Representative Tom Anderson,
sponsor, said that the Alaska Land Title Association came
forward with this as a way to help people clear titles to their
homes. It is supported by the Alaska Mortgage Bankers
Association and the Alaska State Homebuilders Association and
has been reviewed by many housing sectors. Once a loan is paid,
the bill intends to make sure it shows the loan has been paid
off. Most banks in Alaska don't keep loans for more than 130
days and sell them to service companies located outside of the
state. Once that loan is paid off, there is no requirement for
the mortgage servicer to make sure the reconveyance is taken
care of at the recorder's office. One title insurance company
testified that over 1,400 deeds of trust were pending
reconveyance.
MR. BRYAN MERRELL said he is the immediate past president of
Alaska Land Title Association and is the State Agency Manager
Underwriter for First American Title Insurance Company, the
largest title insurance company in Alaska. He supported HB 421
saying, "It's a good piece of consumer legislation."
SENATOR BETTYE DAVIS moved to pass CSHB 421(JUD) from committee
with individual recommendations. Senators Gary Stevens, Davis,
French, Seekins and Chair Bunde voted yea; and CSHB 421(JUD)
moved from committee.
There being no further business to come before the committee,
CHAIR BUNDE adjourned the meeting at 3:25 p.m.
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